donnie darko (spoilers)

Amanda and I watched Donnie Darko, last night.

Some first impressions:

In general, I thought it was sortof a neat movie visually, and it was interesting. However, I thought it lacking in real substance and was a pretty cheap manipulation – the ending was a total let down.

The casting of Noah Wyle and Drew Barrymore ah.. left something to be desired. I like Drew Barrymore better when she’s doing what she does best – and that is playing only characters that have no semblance of depth.

Anyways, all in all, it was an interesting and beautifully filmed movie, but the plot was tired and convoluted. I am tired of these science fiction/fantasy/whatever movies that build up these huge expectations of revelation only to wrap it up at the end with convoluted pop science babble that doesn’t make any sense (a la A.I., my candidate for most disappointing ending ever) – it’s insulting to me, the viewer, and my intelligence.

Anyways, read the full story for discussion of the plot that contains spoilers. If you haven’t seen it, don’t peek!


Alright. I thought I had a grasp on what this movie was about last night, but it didn’t make much sense until I re-thought it this morning, and read another interview that shed some light on the movie.

The crux of the movie is basically just one blatant reference in the movie, and if you don’t catch it, nothing really makes sense.

The double-feature they go see at the theatre is playing “Evil Dead” and “The Last Temptation of Christ”. Now, I haven’t seen the latter, but I understand the gist of it. Christ is given the opportunity to live in a world where he WASN’T crucified, to see what it’s like, and has to decide – ergo, his last temptation.

This entire movie is basically a throwback to that idea.

Donnie Darko doesn’t have the ability to travel in time. That’s what I thought, at first, and I tried to justify the whole movie in that frame – that he was learning to control this ability, or something. But he didn’t have any ability at all. He was just subject to fate.

I think it’s best explained that a wormhole opens up on Oct 31st. The jet engine on the plane gets sucked into it and then lands in his bedroom. on Oct 2nd. At this point, he is simply given the opportunity to live the days between Oct 2nd and Oct 31st as they would happen if he cheats death and avoids the jet engine, or if he doesn’t, and just dies. If he dies, nothing ever happens – he never burns down porn-daddy’s house, so he never goes to jail, so freaky jesus-lady can go on the plane, so his mother never has to, etc. His mother and his girlfriend are still alive.

The movie with all his hallucinations and angst is supposed to be him realizing the inevitability of fate.

So, at the end, he goes back to bed on the 2nd and dies, laughing, because he’s enlightened. He sacrifices himself for his girlfriend and mother, and we all cry. Or something.

I thought the whole plot device was weak. It never tied anything together with the old lady. And it never talks about how he has any idea any of this is going on or how he would have the ability to choose, or etc etc. You can hypothesize all day and night, since pretty much anything is possible in a movie with time travel as a plot device, but it was overly convoluted and not very satisfying once you figure out what is supposed to be going on.

I mentioned A.I. up there, earlier, and I’m gonna bring it up again, because this sort of thing pisses me off. I hate it when movies bring about the expectation of great revelations about what they are about (i.e., time travel, or artificial intelligence). They make you think you’re in for a seriously trippy mind-bending ride, but instead they just build it up and then wrap it all up in the end with some half-assed convoluted, pseudo-science B.S. and slap “The End” on it, like we’re supposed to just hold our head and go “Dude!! That’s fucked up!!!” and go smoke a J.

If you’re not creative enough to follow an idea through to its fruition, don’t fuckin make a movie about it.


Comments

chace[at]husmail.comFebruary 25, 2002 at 12:05 · reply

I give this review zero out of five stars.

Chris WageFebruary 25, 2002 at 12:39 · reply

Chace, after seeing Donnie Darko:

“Dude!! that was fucked!!! time travel … and stuff… trippy.. pass the J!!”

Chris WageFebruary 25, 2002 at 13:07 · reply

I realize I might come off like an anal plot-dork, but I’m not trying to be one.

Take Back to the Future, for instance. I don’t sit around and point out the fallacies in the plot of that movie, because it’s not important. It’s just a fun movie that uses time travel as a premise.

But I thought with this movie, the details weren’t incidental to the plot. They WERE the plot. The entire movie is filmed with this eerie trippy feel to it, that makes you feel like the plot is purposefully vague and meandering because it will all crystallize in the ending into one final resolution.

It sets you up for a moment like at the end of the Usual Suspects, where *pow*, everything comes together.

But it never does. The movie ends with you going. “What? That’s it? Who was the old crazy lady? Why did this happen, why did that happen? What was the point of this movie?”

It never resolves anything, and uses these randomly thrown in endlessly complex details to mask the fact that the movie doesn’t really resolve any conflict. It’s cheap and manipulative.

Erik OstromFebruary 25, 2002 at 13:10 · reply

I disagree, plot-dork. I think the eerie trippy feel was the point of the movie. Your yearning for a final crystalline revelation probably stems from unhappy experiences in your childhood.

And the end of the Usual Suspects sucked. “And then he woke up, and it was all a dream.” Give me a break.

Chris WageFebruary 25, 2002 at 13:12 · reply

*sound of head exploding*

I should have prefaced this whole thing with “I actually pretty much liked the movie”

It was fun and interesting and held my attention, and I’ll probably watch it again at some point.

I just feel like there’s this trend with movies lately where the endings really let me down. They don’t seem as cool as they should be.

Clearly I need to become a scriptwriter, leading to fame and fortune because of my expert smarts.

chace[at]hushmail.comFebruary 25, 2002 at 14:54 · reply

hello Chris. Maybe the director of Darko wishes he could go back and change things in the same way you went back and changed your review. BOOOYAAAH!

I think that ‘a dark and creepy atmosphere’ doesn’t justify a 90 minute movie. I mean, thats film school shit my bruthas. I totally agree with Chris. I find it interesting how none of you detractors had any arguement with his opinion of ‘AI’ because the ending really SUCKED, and if you follow the dictates of logic, the ending of ‘Donnie Darko’ SUCKED for the very same reasons. I guess I’m too mainstream and non-pretentious to sarcarfice 1 1/2 of my life to watch ‘eerie lighting’ and ‘spooky atmosphere’….Call me crazy….I like the story to make some god damn fucking sense. Love, Amanda P.S. I liked 80% of the movie and it creeped me out

chace[at]hushmail.comFebruary 26, 2002 at 00:59 · reply

hello amanda.

hey I forgot hour (1/2 HOUR of my life) and I put some extra letters into sarcifice that is all.

P.S. HI CHACE

chace[at]hushmail.comMarch 03, 2002 at 03:55 · reply

hi

I liked the movie. Frank creeped me out and I really felt the love that Donnie and Gretchen had, actually made me miss my ex-girlfriend. Yes, the ending was hard to understand but not everything in life was meant to be easy. It left me feeling hollow, yet hopeful. Frank Lloyd Orson Young Demented Tortured Rightous Evil Youth

watch the dvd special features and you will learn what is going on in the movie. yer way off… and the old lady serves as a guide for him by the way… what’s offensive to me is people who don’t know what they’re talking about. your idea for this site is to critique a movie. “if you’re not creative enough to follow an idea through to it’s fruition, blah blah blah…” you see where i’m going with this :)

AnonymousApril 24, 2002 at 03:56 · reply

just because you don’t understand a movie doesn’t mean it’s not good. and not every movie should be lit or acted or directed or cast or written or anything in the same way (that’s hollywood!). so what if it’s a dark atmosphere? the “Sound of Music” is lit very brightly the whole time. Donnie DARKO is a DARK(o) movie!

Hmm. . . generally, the people who complain about the ending of A.I. are the ones who didn’t get it. Clue for the clueless: there are no aliens in the movie.

Chris WageApril 29, 2002 at 13:09 · reply

I’m sure the clueless will appreciate that..

Nevertheless, the ending still sucked.

i like peanut butter!

Yossi TruzmanMay 27, 2002 at 20:53 · reply

I also like Peanut Butter…But i don’t like this movie that much, although i have a good reason to think it is an Alegory to “Revelations”, I mean After all it is certinaly Not scientific, If all they had to show for in the Ampirial espect is “The Brief history of time” By Stephen Hockings, They are not really serious about Physics…, the explanation of the “jesus’s life if not crusified” is possible, since Darko gives in the the temptation of the Flash in the end, but none the less Confusing….

So long and thanks for all the fish…

I thought this movie was great. Yes it is very difficult to comprehend it bt thats the point. Kelly wants their to be different interpretations. And guys the whole idea is that Frank was pulling a divine intervention thing on him so he got the chance to chose what he wanted to do. And all the people at the end waking up from their sleep when Donnie dies are people manipulated by the events so they all have the weird creepy feeling of knowing somethign weird happened but not being able to pinpoint it. I suggest everyone checks out the website (www.donniedarko.com) it helps alot!

zodiaqueJune 15, 2002 at 06:46 · reply

Whats the fucking big deal, the ending is part of its originality. Instead of having a ‘satisfied’ end where all the questions are answered is a cliche. Yes endings where you walk out ‘all-knowing’ or fucking shit cliches. It was refreshing that a movie like this could keep me intrigued without giving an answer or a ‘reason’. The film was way cool and I enjoyed the ending the most because it forced you out of your all-knowing cliche thinking. And alot of people find that frustrating.

Well. I don’t.

The definition of bad poetry is a poem where the point is left unclear and can be ‘intrepreted to have different meanings’. If you extend the metaphor guys….

I’m going to direct a movie consisting of four hours of footage of a piece of toast with a gypsy lady wailing just outside of the frame. You guys will love it.

I guess it will make me Andy Warhol. Or on the contrary when people expose me for being a fraud I can always fall back on the cry of ‘you stupid plebians don’t get it! Here’s a hint: THERE ARE NO ALIENS IN THE MOVIE, MORON, YOU’RE SO STUPID” (only toast and Romas)

AnonymousJuly 30, 2002 at 00:04 · reply

There is no bad poetry, only people who make vast generalizations about things they don’t understand.

Thus this post is hypocritical.

Wylie GarfieldAugust 03, 2002 at 07:23 · reply

DONNIE DARKO DONNIE DARKO DONNIE DARKO I guess some of you weren’t compelled for answers while others have gone to the www.donniedarko.com websit they were freaked an needed somw sort of rationationel immediately. The Official website will give you a lot of clues but you won’t far if you haven’t seen the movie. If you are still not getting “IT” (the thrill) find “Cellar Door” a website that takes a little searching for, but it points out many facts. After “Cellar Door” I advise you to go to the msn donnie darko group called:28:6:42:12. There is very good link there for a complete understanding of the movie (or basically I agree with the version.)”Untitled Document” is the name of the document and the web address is the only wasy to find it. In addition you will find some revealing interviews with director Richard Kelly and he gives two versions of how he sees Donnie Darko’s death. It is an interview with someone from NYU. Want more? Well this can be the clincher!

While being attacked at knife point Donnie says “Deus ex Machina” and later “our saviour”

I suggest not just translating “Deus ex Machina,” but finding all the definitions possible and then relate it to Donnieand his death. WARNING WARNING: I have been through all the Donnie Darko groups on Yahoo where Lane Kelly, senoir brother to director/writer Richard Kelly. I warn you for one reason only……Lane Kelly openly announces his brother/director status/connection, makes vague posts about the movie and answers childhood questions about Rich Kelly. He has and is suffering from “the six degrees of separation” syndrome, although there is only one degree seperation here. This has caused him to have a “celebrity” type status within the groups. The group members, “singing their praises to God,” that “a” or “any” Kelly family member for being on the site, boosting this guy’s ego out of the ground. The fans on the site are kneeling before this “PR-type” brother and waiting for any detail, significant to the movie (or somwtimes not,) to dribble out of his mouth. Therefore I do not suggest any of the Yahoo DonnieDarko groups. The msn group is small contains all the necessary info for coming to conclusions with Donnie Darko. The msn group(28:6:42:12) site is relatively new, but has not been spoiled by Lane Kelly yet! (Knock on wood) The members of 28:6:42:12 are not looking to get Rich Kelly’s, shirt, email address or unwear. The members there are open to discussion and interpretations of different actions and symbols in the movie.

I do suggest going to the official DD website (passing all three levels), watching the movie again and then resorting to “Cellar Door” before you hear someone else’s version of the story and how it comes full circle.

DONNIE DARKO may seem like some silly, sci-fi, teen flick that is boring and has no end. WELL THAT’S THE POINT! He wants to spark your mind curiousity and intellectE. He wants you to go out and find the answers. Not one shot or camera angle, not one scene, none of the dialog and none of “artifacts”, props, characters or costume is irrelevent. It is all shown to us but until we discover and decipher. Those who don’t want to dig deeper because you didn’t like or understand Donnie Darko, to those I say challenge your mind and you will love the movie.

Even if you didn’t like the movie and took it for face value or whre disappointed in the ending. I WOULD SUGGEST: taking on the Donnie Darko Journey on the web or DVD and experience the shocking and chilling script/movie that Kelly has written and directed. For a moment in time your mind works deductively until the clues, visuals and dialogues make bonechilling sense. Yes you can get the clues from message boards etc, but discovering something on one’s own is far more powerful than having the intricate design of the movie laid out flat for you

For more info you may contact me at the above address. Foreward this email to your friends…..watch Donnie Darko again and see how a “disguised teen movie” is one of most mind bending movies around. PS It has been 3 weeks since I have seen the movie and I still can’t shake it. I don’t have nightmares, but I do think about Donnie a lot

Wylie

DONNIE DARKO DONNIE DARKO DONNIE DARKO

Oscar Wilde said “Diversity of opinion about a work of art shows that the work is new, complex, and vital. When critics disagree, the artist is in accord with himself.”

Obviously a lot of people enjoyed this film enough to talk about it, even if they thought the ending sucked. I actually enjoyed the ending, I suppose because I knew it was inevitable. I saw the Jesus parallel thing coming through the Last Temptation of Christ and the false prophet played by Patrick Swayze. I also thought the expressions during the final scene were excellent. The look of peace on Donnie’s face (that actor had some great expressions throughout the entire film), and the looks on the faces of the family as the camera pans past them as Donnie’s body is being wheeled out. The fact that the girlfriend, the mother, and the rest of the family are there as his body is being taken away sort of makes the whole sacrifice very clear.

But there is still plenty that isn’t clear. Was Donnie’s death the only alternate reality? Why would he have to die? Jesus died so his martyrdom would inspire others…and because God supposedly had some higher purpose in mind for him. He died so that he could be reborn.

So why did Donnie Darko need to die? I never thought the world was really coming to an end. I thought it was just that Donnie’s world was coming to an end. Couldn’t he have saved his friends as well as himself? Ah well…that’d be too happy. Part of the point of the film is that Donnie overcame his fear of death, and of being alone in death. Part of the message is that it is better to sacrifice your own life for those you love than it is to live without them. Isn’t that sweet?

I think I would have been game for at least another hour in this film if it would have explored the following a little deeper:

Donnie’s psychological background (one deleted scene shows his shrink telling him that he can stop taking his pills because they were placebos anyway).

Donnie’s relationship with his teachers played by Noah Wylie and Drew Barrymore.

Grandma Death should have been brought into the story more. Was she stuck in some kind of infinite time loop because she messed with time travel? Is that why she kept to the same routine day after day? Or was she just senile?

Even a little more time on Donnie’s relationship with Gretchen would have been useful from a character-development perspective. We need to understand every one of Donnie’s sacrifices more intimately.

Of course most of these questions are dealt with in the deleted scenes that you can catch on the DVD. The director claims that some were deleted… not so much to save time… but to leave some interpretation up to the viewer. One deleted scene (actually a longer version of the scene when Donnie meets Frank the bunny on the golf course) deals with the entire divine intervention theme a lot more. The director says he cut the scene down, because he didn’t want to make it that clear that it was a story of divine intervention.

Not the best film I’ve seen, but damn I love a good conversation piece!

One last note: As a critique of 80s Reagan-Era ethics and 80s/90s suburban culture, the film is no Heathers or American Beauty… but it hits its mark and integrates these themes into the story. The 80s were chock full of greed and false prophets. Catch the guy in the Reagan mask at the Halloween party?

This film reminded me of American Beauty in a lot of ways actually, but it fell a little short of being on the same level.

Sean

ALL I HAVE TO SAY IS THAT DONNIE DARKO IS A WONDERFUL, MULTI-PROCESSED MOVIE. FOR ALL YOU FUCKS OUT THERE THAT ARE BITCHING ABOUT HOW THE ENDING SUCKED AND THINGS WEREN’T CLEAR HERE NOR THERE… USE YOUR IMAGINATION!!! IT’S ABOUT TIME THAT WE HAVE TO ACTUALLY USE OUR BRAINS AND THINK ABOUT A MOVIE RATHER THAN HAVE THE MOVIE ROT OUR MINDS!

Dude, go to www.donniedarko.com and read the philosophy of time travel and it explains it all, i thought what you were thinking but it is different. A tangent universe is made and donnie lives in that one until it collapses, and the reason frank talks to him is because he was killed in the tangent universe. thats why have these powers and why frank says, “you can do anything you want” but then since this alternate universe collapses the jet engine links its way back to the real universe to keep it going. Thus donnie kills himself because he has to take the engine back to the normal universe and by doing that killing himself.

Well, this movie was really good and I’d rather not waste my time argueing about the plot or aesthetics. However if anyone would like to help me get in contact with Richard kelly that would be much appreciated. Thank you, Gerry PS my SN is phredgenekennedy feel free to IM me and harrass

ok can explain to me what drew barrymores and noah wyles characters were all bout there seemed no point to their characters except that noah intruduced donnie the time-travel book. hmmm and what was with the wave at the end? what the fuck was a there a special connection between the mother + girlfriend coz they would have died if donnie had lived? Am i getting it? and the whole point of the movie was that donnie got an insight of what might had happened if he had lived is that right? it was a fucked up movie but all the same freaky movies usually aren’t easily forgotton! ta ren x

Donnie Darko is one of my favourite films largely because of the way I connected with it emotionally - I experienced a feeling of emotional truth. And like all great art, DD inspires the viewer to think. When I walked out of the cinema (I saw the film in Sydney’s beautiful State Theatre), my brain was in cognitive overdrive. I was in a state of contemplation, questioning my place in the social and metaphysical fabric of the world and the universe.

A lot of the negative comment here has been about the way DD strays from traditional dramatic structure. Dramatic structure, I think, is one of the greatest creations our species has accomplished. But DD, like other films such as Mulholland Drive, breaks free of certain rules of traditional dramatic structure, particularly in relation to resolution of narrative strands. In return, other elements of the work shine through, such as mood. At the core of the temporal structure there is a paradox: the jet engine could not have fallen into the tangent universe, because it travelled through a wormhole into the ‘original’ universe only. But this is amazing, this is why DD has generated so much discussion - it makes us think about our position in the universe. This paradox is not a plot flaw, it is just an event communicated with moving pictures and sound which is incomprehensible to my (our) understanding of the properties of time and matter.

Donnie Darko is cool.

Yanni.

AnonymousOctober 27, 2002 at 16:37 · reply

Ok…. Obviously the film is intended to be seen by people differently and have different interpretations regarding the ending. So I havent been trying to find the “True ending”, ive jus been trying to get as many iterpretations as possible. One thing though…. whats the deal with cellar door? When it is first mentioned in the film it is put over as being important. And then it is mentioned again later? Why?

Aletha MchalickOctober 27, 2002 at 19:16 · reply

I thought the point was that the film enacted all the usual cliches about stultifying suburban upbringings etc (a la all those teen flicks from the 80s) and that Donnie was an exceptionally smart kid whose intelligence manifested itself in terms of a sort of mix of psychic, time-travelling, coincidence-mongering ability and schizophrenia. He was doomed (either to die or to get locked up) because he was too clever for his surrounds.

I wish I could go back in time and cut the old lady out of this movie. And the CellarDoor thing. That was retarded. (By the way, did anyone else notice that at the end the old lady had a piece of mail in her hand.) And one more thing. Donnie may have saved his mom and his girlfiend by choosing to die but the poor girl will still become an orphan around halloween time because of her crazy stepdad. If I were donnie I would have chose to live again but this time I would stop my mom and sister from getting on the plane and stop the stepdad from doing any more harm. It’s like the science teacher said, if you know your path you can choose to betray it. (Did someone say Matrix? How about Minority repot?) Great potential, to bad they didn’t clean it up a bit more. Sparky

I’d like to say Donnie Darko owned. Not because ‘jee shucks it creeped me out’, because although it very much did, it’s not the point of the movie. This is not Scream, this is not Halloween, this is not The Jason and this is not Freddie Krueger. If you watched and enjoyed it as a scary movie ONLY - you should be taken out and shot. Or at least get a stupid sign like Jeff Foxworthy suggested. Donnie Darko owned because it had a big smart thing to say and a few small ones. The big one is - don’t cling on to ‘what if’s. That’s bullshit - you can never tell what if, and if something happened that changed your life somehow - you can never tell, it might’ve been worse in ways you can’t begin to imagine. It’s not that you shouldn’t hope for something better - but that’s the way things went. The smaller thing is, I think (I just saw it the first time ten minutes ago), the fusion between science and philosophy. Drew Berimor is obviously the philospher, while Noah what’s-his-name is the scientist. You can see the movie is about the philosophy of having the scientifical strength to go back and change the past and it’s implications - but at the end, when the two mix, or as presented in the movie, sleep together - the philosopher is fast asleep and the scientist is very much awake, as if bothered by the implications of a desicion that changes the course of, well, everything.

Still working on the fat girl though

-Knives

(P.S. - Pardon my typos, I’m not a native English speaker ;p )

HEP! HELP! HELP! What are the PASSWORDS to the official DD website?! It’s making me mad!! asap!

er, 2 of the passwords are BREATHE and ROSE . i got stuck after the phone transcript on level 3, i’ve heard all about the revealing of the time travel book’s contents but haven’t got there , can anyone help? It seems to me that , in terms of overall concept,darko is an exercise of multi-value logic ( as hinted @ by donnie in his argument with the time line teacher)

Chris: do you seriously believe that the director would make this film: every detail of which has symbolic/metaphoric significance, not to mention within confounding contexts-and then proceed to have the meaning of his film flashed up in one shot of the sign ubove the movie theatre?!!! Do you realise how absurd your assertion is?!

Here’s a few more things I got from the movie in the way of ‘hidden treasures’, everyone pls disagree and/or qualify:

THE TWO ‘BAD BOYS’: Archetypal American bullies of films based in the 50’s a la ‘Stand By Me’ and ‘The Outsiders’

DONNIE’S TWO FRIENDS: Rosencrantz and Guildenstern who don’t know how to ‘delve’

DONNIE’S HOODED JACKET: Showing the meaning of objects through context: in some scenes it gives him a threatening unabomber(?)/thug nuance, then soon after it makes you think of is the boys in ‘E.T.’ flying on their bikes.

DONNIE CARRYING GRETCHEN’S CORPSE: Derivative scenes: Yeah, it’s from ‘The English Patient’, but it was from ‘King Lear’ before that.

FRANK/CHIQUITA(?): Cultural/Racial Displacement/disenfranchisement: here we have a nondescriptly ‘asian’ girl with some sort of Spanish name (‘Go back to China!’), not to mention being female and overweight. Her performance as an Christian angel in white is tragically comic: she is despised for being the ‘other’ (on all levels!), yet her attempts to assimilate give her oppressors more reason to torment her. She cannot move forward, she cannot go back. Then, an Indigenous American called Frank(!) drives recklessly causing Gretchen’s death. This, statistically, is a common occurence among young Indigenous American males (“On Aggression”, Lorenz), an outlet for the aggression and frustration resulting from marginalisation ergo emmasculation. Parallels? Australia, New Zealand (the film “Once Were Warriors” illustrates this perfectly) and South Africa. In the closing scenes, Frank designs his ‘mask’ (Wildean connotations abound) over and over.

Oh Yeah, Mindblowingly entertaining film as well!

Knives: I think you you’re off the mark by setting up a philosopher/scientist dichotomy. Forward thinking and Scientific discovery have a common goal(symbolised by Drew and Noah in bed together), which is truth and knowledge. This being the natural enemy of organised religion (Swayze and the ‘clergy’ that controls the school), the two teachers are ‘silenced’: Drew is fired, Noah must keep silent to keep his position.

in all the questions that have been asked and answered on this page, and from my perceptions of this excellent film, i think i get it all now.

In no particular order - Breathe, Ling, Rose, Smurf.

boo us downunder dont have dvd…boo me wanna see extra scenes…film too short…boo

stupid computer…wont let me into dd site…

boo boo

Here is my (expansive) synopsis of Donnie Darko.

For those of you who haven’t yet, I suggest you go to www.donniedarko.com. If you bother to go to the webpage and poke around, you will find out about the Living Receiver, the Manipulated Dead, Manipulated Living, etc… It’s all in the book, “The Philosophy of Time Travel”. Yes, they have made an awesome flash site that explains 95% of it if you watch the movie, go to the webpage, watch the movie again, and visit the webpage again. (Most of this explaination is from my knowledge of the book combined with the movie and previous discussions I’ve had, please feel free to add on or correct as needed. I do quote the book specifically several times without quotation marks.)

The book explains that Donnie is what is known as a Living Receiver, chosen seemingly randomly, and that he has special 4th Dimensional powers (Those of increased strength (remember the axe in the Mongrel’s bronze head?), supposed Mind Control (I’m not sure), telekinesis (moving things with the mind, which he uses to open the portal and send the engine back), and the power to conjure Fire and Water (The flooding and the burning of Jim Cunningham’s house)). He uses these powers (some are very subtle in the movie) to ensure that he can position the Artifact in the proper place to send it back.

Frank (Yes, he is Elisabeth’s boyfriend, but that’s irrelevant) and Gretchen turn out to be Manipulated Dead and have the most control over Donnie’s actions. The rest of the people around him are Manipulated Living, and are more responsible for being barriers in his journey. Frank pretty much knows exactly what’s going to happen, and since he’s a Manipulated Dead, he’s able to travel time to save Donnie’s life so he can fix the paradox. The whole reason the engine fell in the first place was a “glitch” in the universe. This was caused by a Tangent Universe that was created. It is said in the book that Time is a stable construct, but is not impenetrable, and that incidents can occur that create Tangent Universes.

Frank and Gretchen (Frank’s actions are much more noticable, Gretchen’s are very subtle) are responsible for leading Donnie through the actions he needs to take in order to return the Artifact to the Primary Universe, therefore keeping the Tangent Universe from collapsing upon itself and becoming a black hole, which would completely destroy the Primary Universe. (Not so simple is it? Those of you who claim you understand the movie completely from beginning to end are full of it.) (BTW, the entire movie after October 2nd takes place in the Tangent Universe! So at the end, when it is October 2nd again, it is in the Primary Universe, and the engine that falls is the engine being returned to the Primary Universe.)

If you pay attention to the cause and effect of the movie, you’ll see everything happens for a reason. Donnie’s meeting of Gretchen, Donnie’s flooding of the school so that he can “meet” Gretchen and to create a relationship between them. Donnie’s burning of Jim Cunningham’s house in order to expose his pornography, which keeps Mrs. Farmer from chaparoning Sparkle Motion’s trip, which allows the kids to throw a party. Donnie goes to Sparrows “Cellar Door”, and finds the two bulley’s from school, causing Gretchen to be knocked down and incapacitated. When Frank goes to get beer, on his way back he runs over Gretchen, causing Donnie to kill him. Her death causes him to then realize everything and he sends the Artifact back, sacrificing himself for the sake of not only his girlfriend, but the rest of humanity.

In the end, when it shows the scenes of everyone awakened and weirded-out, there is also an explaination. The book describes that when they return from the Tangent Universe into the Primary Universe, most of the Manipulated Living and Dead will not remember the journey, depending on their involvement with the Living Receiver. When those who do remember “awaken” from their “dream”, they normally feel remorse for the actions they remember doing. You’ll notice Frank touches his right eye because he remembers being shot. Frank, Gretchen, Donnie’s Mother, Rose, and his therapist, Dr. Thurman (Is that correct?) are the closest to Donnie, and are therefore the ones who remember slightly more. In the end, when Gretchen and Rose wave to each other, even though they have never met in the Primary Universe, it is because they have this odd memory of one another from the Tangent Universe (The boy is waving because he’s an idiot and doesn’t know what’s going on…)

About Cellar Door, the “Famous Linguist” is none other than Mr. Edgar Allan Poe. He was said to have believed that out of all the words in the English language, out of all the possible combinations of letters, that Cellar Door was the most beautiful. I read somewhere that one time he was entertaining guests and had a slip or hit his head or somehow entered a coma, and that when attempted to be awakened, he would only repeat the word “Cellar Door. When he finally was revived and the guests told him of this, he said, “That is odd. Of all the possible combinations, possible words, blah blah, Cellar door is the most beautiful.” I just thought that was an interesting tidbit.

According to many discussion groups and Kelly himself, he says there is a parallel between Donnie and the movie “The Last Temptation of Christ”, in which Christ is given a chance to see what life would be like if he were not to sacrifice himself. Donnie is given a similar choice, but it’s not exactly the same. Donnie sacrifices himself to save ALL of man-kind, not just his family and friends. The Tangent Universe’s collapse would have caused a black hole to destroy the Primary Universe as well. This movie is definitely a religious movie, if you cant see that. It has a multitude of levels, and those who only see it for a movie with people, words, and actions are idiots *cough*.

As for an ultimate meaning, there isn’t much of one. Basically Kelly tries to tell you that you have only one mortal life and that God has a master plan devised for everyone and that no matter what, as long as he is there, you will never be alone. Also, it says that dying can sometimes be more beneficial for yourself and those around you, as long as it is part of God’s plan. I am not a very religious person, but this movie made me think twice about Christianity and religion in general.

That’s about all I can say right now, I might have missed some important things. If so, please feel free to add an addendum. (Sorry for the length, I think it’s worth reading)

BTW, Chris, Roberta Sparrow IS tied into the movie. It is her book that leads Donnie’s actions, that causes him to have more understanding… Do you not remember the letter he wrote to her? It is because of the book that he realizes his importance, and the necessity of his sacrifice to say the rest of humanity.

Also, he DOES use time travel abilities when he returns the jet-engine to the primary universe. He doesn’t actually travel through time, but sort of does. Part of the whole paradoxical situation the movie presents.

Your explaination of the movie is flawed. The wormhole opens on October 31st because Donnie opens it (using his powers). He is not just given the chance to see his life from the 2nd to the 31st. He is required to live those 4 weeks to return the artifact to it’s place. Also, part of the paradox is that he must avoid death in the first place in order for him to die and sacrifice himself.

That’s about it… More to read!

Ohmigod thankyou Jam!!! i was scrolling down this discussion wondering when someone was going to articulate what i could not! The DD website IS essential reading after watching the film, i think, and i gained great insight. Then came the rush of sudden understanding which i could not put into anything intelligible…until you did!

So thanks again Jam! I can sleep soundly again….well after i get over the Frank nightmares! What can i say, that bunny is fucked up

AnonymousJanuary 03, 2003 at 18:54 · reply

That bunny is whacked!

Don’t you just love movies!

two types of movies:

(1) Omega Man (Chuck Heston)–40 oz. and a blunt and no apologies to anyone! Just Fun-Fun! (2) Last Man on Earth (Vincent Price)– No B-40, and I’ve lost touch with rational behaviour when I hear “Morgan! I’m going to get you Morgan!”

Entertainment=Escape; Rational or Emotional and/or a mix.

DD is a top-notch exercise in losing oneself–not unlike copulation… :)

Thanks R. Kelly.

P.S. Check out the weirdos at Rapture-Ready! Wow!

Whoever posted the first review… is a retard. He isnt subject to fate and he can travel through time your too dumb to see it. This movie kicked ass and for once gave viewers something new.

I thought this film was incredible, not least because it avoided a conventional, wrapping-up-all-the-storylines ending and went in a totally different direction than i expected it to. It seems to get more complex, funnier and more moving every time I see it. Its an amazingly intricate web of storylines and messages. The whole internet experience surrounding it makes it even more challenging too. I’m going to see it again this weekend! And yes, Frank is suprisingly scary for a rabbit…

John... todayJanuary 10, 2003 at 23:09 · reply

Does anyone know why Frank is allowed to transcend the two universes, occupy Donnie’s thoughts, know what will happen if the alternate universe collapses, as well as exist in the physical world as a person? I Sure as hell can’t do that. I’m not saying that there wasn’t a way that Kelly intended this to make sense, i just can’t make sense out of it. please fricking help me.

Some of the bad reviews here I just can’t understand. Lacking in substance???? My only response to that, is ask your doctor about mild retardation. If your a twilight zone fan, this is a movie for you. Gets better every time you watch it. Next time you see a strange person walking around talking to himself or what not, yo might think twice after seeing this flik. 10 out of 10. 5 out of 5 stars, whatever you want to say, just give this movie a try!

Anyone know where I can find a good, clear, front facing picture of the rabbit mask ? Thanks.

A question on music. Anyone know the name/composer of the piece playing during the Cinema scene, and during the end credits. Female operatic vocal, rich ambient orchestration.

Thanks

Loved this film, really does have everything (hence the fact I’m even here!)

John: (I think) Frank is able to be in both universes because he’s a ‘manipulated dead’ (he dies in the tangent universe). The manipulated dead have the ability of time travel and are there in order to guide the living receiver (Donnie). But he’s not really in ‘existence’ as Donnie sees him (hence only Donnie can see him), but is just a vision from the fourth dimension, appearing in Donnie’s dreams. The website explains all this..

Jam: Great explanation. Thank you! Just a couple of things though…

In what sense does Donnie ‘send the artefact (the engine) back to its place in the primary universe’? He doesn’t do anything except allow it to kill him. Is this in fact its ‘place’? If so, how does this demonstrate his ability to ‘move things with his mind’? I don’t remember him actually sending it back anywhere.

Also, on the website theres a manuscript of a telephone conversation involving an airline company from London saying that they have the engine (and the plane) intact. If the whole point is that the engine kills Donnie in the primary universe, how can it be in two places at once? (It’s under research in the US and intact in England). Is the one in the US the one from the tangent universe (so there’s two)? But surely both of them land on Donnie’s bed..there isn’t a universe in which the engine is intact with the plane. This seems like a flaw to me and I would be grateful if anyone could explain this.

It’s a great film in many ways, and watching it again (for the third time), I was able to appreciate it even more. The only problem is that it is so confusing that it becomes difficult to focus on certain positive things (such as the acting and music) instead of getting bogged down in the confusion.

Answer my questions and let me sleep again!

I agree with your ideas about the movie, but in the end i felt really fulfilled. I don’t think that he actually went through time, but he saw his future before him the night of the 2nd (that whole idea is talked about earlier in the movie).

Martin, I like what your saying about the manuscript, and I was wondering the same thing.

AnonymousJanuary 20, 2003 at 16:29 · reply

Hey,

I thought DD was amazing, but there wasa one point i got a little confused on…

In the cinema, when frank’s eye was bleeding, was that down to him being shot there in the future? I personally thought it was down to donnie stabbing him through the mirror type thing between the two universes, with the kitchen knife.

Cheers

Ahem. So, the very first review was ‘retarded’ because the author did not spend many ADDITIONAL hours reading through some website to explain a movie that only took 112 minutes to watch in the first place ? Really, at the end of the day, with all the talk about complexity and depth and different meanings blah blah blah…is it really so fucking much to ask that a movie make sense within the limits (in this case time limit) it sets for its self? Was the director really so pompous as to think someone would be so fascinated by this film that they wouldn’t mind it not making sense without additional research? Please. I signed on to watch a movie, not conduct a research project. I am not impressed with these arguements people! Love, Amanda

P.S. The cracker is the midnight rancher. (this sentence will make sense if you visit midnightrancher.com and solve the various puzzles and also if you buy the 1275 page companion book to the midnightrancher.com. It is totally worth it, because it will make you seem *very* intellectual)

To Coma: I don’t think there are two engines, there is one engine and the plane. The plane however, is intact and the engine that fell from the sky seems to be the exact same engine (or a superb replica of the engine one the plane). The plane in the primary universe was never destroyed, but Donnie destroyed the plane in the tangent universe to send it back to the primary universe so that the universe could continue to exist. To Jam: Thanks, I mostly understood the movie after reading the book at donniedarko.com, but you truly clarified when Donnie used his 4th Dimension powers, especially the conjuring of fire and water.

The music in the end was great, loved the way it wrapped up how I felt about the movie, it’s both hilarious and sad, which all the truly best movies are if you ask me. This movie was wonderful before I understood it, hopefully it will still be as wonderful after learning how it all is bound together.

I might see it again tomorrow, I’ve only seen it once a couple of days ago.

To Amanda: When I started this quest for an explanation of the movie, I wanted to know how the writer explained it, because I wanted to see the movie more like the writer saw it, not so much to truly understand the meaning of the movie. The meaning is mostly clear already, but to understand why the writer makes certain things in the movie happen. Also I guess I started on this quest because the movie truly got to me, and has been stuck on my mind since I saw it.

To the guy/girl who wrote about the eye: Hehe, never thought about that when he stabs the eye of Frank (THE EYE OF FRANK - hmm, sounds cool) or rather stabs the portal or what ever I am supposed to call it which seperates Donnie and Frank from each other (Frank not really being there, this wall to me seemed like water (which is supposed to be the matter the portal of the 4th dimension is supposed to be constructed of), which Donnie can see through). Anyway I guess there is supposed to be some meaning, maybe something in Donnie’s subconscience and that’s why he is poking Frank’s eye. And also the eye starts to glow, so to me there seems to be some kind of link, just can’t explain it ;)

Sorry about all the really annoying long sentences, I know I make sentences about four times longer than they should be and this sentence will be another such sentence, but I am actually able to say these sentences without having to pause to breathe ;)

This is the end of my long long long long, probably stupid (things are not worth saying unless they are stupid) and kind of annoying rave and other kind of things like explanations and stuff…

I am the writer of long sentences. I am the worst nightmare of bunny rabbits. I am Sardtok Jestnak the Evil Necromancer. For that is the name I have taken. And this was my stupid kind of sig at the end of a long stupid text.

does anyone have an idea for the significance of the trampoline in the movie? They sure do show the characters jumping on it a lot. If you have an idea please e-mail me.

HilltopperJanuary 28, 2003 at 14:37 · reply

The significance of the trampoline is the suspension between heaven and earth that is manifested by the characters. A lot of the scenes are negligiable too the plot focus, but in the cut scene when Gretchen is jumping with Donnie, she is jumping around him while he is in the center. This, in effect, makes him the center of this suspended universe they have created. He is the center of this small celestial world and this like the sun, is the provider for all who orbit him. This is intense foreshadowing of what is to come at the end of the movie when Donnie does infact die for Gretchen. Hope this helps you out Stafford.

HilltopperJanuary 28, 2003 at 14:44 · reply

Amanda, you seem to be making some very intense comments in regards to the sensability of this film. I suggest you read “The hero with a thousand faces” by Joseph Campbell. This may help you to see what really isn’t that hard to figure out anyway. Donnie is a modern mythological hero we should all be able to draw from and relate to. The Cosmogonic nature of this film is very impressive to say the least.

The beauty of film, much like good poetry and prose, is that many of the meanings are symbolic and ambigous. Spoon feed meanings get millions of dollars at the box office, but little respect from those who actually appreciate a plot line with depth. Metaphors to human life emotion, the struggle with one’s self, the unconscious, death, love, irony…..all of this can be drawn from the movie with just a little thought and respect.

Only a suggestion.

HilltopperJanuary 28, 2003 at 14:50 · reply

One more quick comment to John a while back. Frank is a figment of Donnie’s imagination. He is all of Donnie’s fears manifested in a form who he feels comfortable following. I refer you to “Fight Club”. Tyler Durden is the manifested guide needed by Edward Norton’s character to accomplish what he feels neccessary for his life. This, like Donnie’s situation, is done unconscouisly.

In the Cinema Donnie asks why Frank is called ‘Frank’, who replies, “It is the name of my father, and his father before ME!” Does that imply Frank is his fathers father?? argggghhhhhh!!!! Damn… what is THAT music?

I really liked the movie. It made me think about it for a while after I had seen it. I kind of wondered why some of the characters were left hanging. I see why flooding the school created the oppurtunity for Donnie and Gretchen to meet, but what was the reason for burning down Jim Cunninghams house? In the alternate reality it was a good thing because Cunnigham was exposed for who he really was. In the real world Jim Cunningham is still a dangerous pedophile. Was his waking up crying supposed to mean that he was cured of his mental illness having been discovered in the alternate reality? Was the sole purpose of the two bullies to be an amalgam of bullies from movies past? What was the point with the Asian girl? Did the jet only crash in the alternate reality? If not then isn’t his younger sister going to be on it when they fly off to Star Search? What was the point of the letter to the old woman? Some of the answers to these questions might be super obvious to some but not to me and I would appreciate some clarification. Great movie!

Found it! This short piece of music, to me, sets the mood for the movie. The Portal (For whom the bell tolls) Steve Baker, Carmen Daye, Michael Andrews

NOT IN THE CD This track is not available in the CD for the Donnie Darko soundtrack. It’s the score that plays when Frank shows Donnie the portal in the movie theatre. (+ end credits)

Thanks to - Juliator(Kazaa)

Well, I’d just like to put in my two cents, because I saw this movie last night and just recently before viewing this message board I decided what I thought “happened” in the movie. While I’m sure that the “correct” explanation has already been posted, I would like to give mine, because I don’t think my idea has been brought up.

The impression that I got was that Donnie had been living the 28 days from the engine crashing into his house to the sucking of the engine into the black hole over and over. Each time the engine is brought back in time, Donnie’s concsiousness (or subconciousness) is somehow transported back along with it. Frank is an image that is burned deep into Donnie’s subconcious because he is the guy who killed his girlfriend. Since Frank happened to be wearing a mutant rabbit costume at the time he accidentally killed Gretchen, that was how Donnie would always remember him. Every time Donnie goes back in time he has vague recollections of a Frank character for whom he harbors deep feelings of hatred that he doesn’t really understand (ie the knife stabbing). It is the memory of Frank as Gretchen’s murderer that haunts him and drives him to have schizophernic hallucinations about Frank. Finally, Donnie comes to terms with his hatred for Frank and kills him, putting his hallucinations of Frank at peace. Hence, the next time he time travels, “Frank” is not there to draw him out of his bed and avoid being hit by the engine. In the ultimate act of irony (an idea totally prevalent the entire movie in the fear/love guy, etc.) Donnie’s killing of Frank for his own inner peace ends up in the killing of Donnie.

Feel free to scrutinize this idea, or explain why the universe explanation is more valid. I haven’t visited the official website, and it is down right now.

Look people. if you dont mind could you actually read the other messages posted BEFORE you post your retarded drivel. (not talking to all the fantastic people who posted some very thought provoking stuff, and who actually did some research before adding ‘their two cents worth’) i mean why are you even writting if you dont know about the movie. this site has evolved to a level where we all know a majority of whats going on in the film, but want to discuss some important topics. so if its not to much touble could you take the advice of everyone and go to the DD website or watch the film again or read some of these posts. oh and Jam your awsome, i totally agree with you. Hilltopper i think your mistaken with the topic of Frank being a figment of Donnies imagination. ok I’m done now

I just saw the movie, and Im glad I chose not to listen to my friend and rent, I got to see it download style, after reading a couple of comments here I got really annoyed, people here dont know what they are talking about, but so goes for the rest of this world that we live in, -people are fucking stupid, they dont mind paying for garbage movies, I can see in this page alot of comments posted by these same people that im talking about, people that lack intelligence…seek enlightment motherfuckers, cause this movie SUCKS, so what if you sit down for about an hour and a half with expectations, what with this lame end?, imagine you had a birthday and someone gave you a present, something nice, but wrapped it up with a freaking handtowel filled with jiz, would you open up that present? would you appreaciatte it? stupid fucking gay-sapians!, the present will be nice, but the fucking wrap would haunt you for-fucking-ever, and the wrap on this mother fucking movie, is fucked up!

Marleya: This site? This site has evolved to a place where we (donnie darko fans) can truly express our intellectual superiority. May I please remind everyone that this is my boyfriend’s BLOG page. You are discussing this on someone’s blog. After a YEAR. Maybe he should disable the comments.

If I can do a comment without risking abuse… seen “Twelve monkeys”, anyone? I only saw DD once, but one strong influence I felt was that mind-boggling T. Gilliam film (+ the Chris Marker film ‘La jetee’ which inspired it). I read in an interview that Richard Kelly quoted that film so this is not absolutely far-fetched. Time travel? Time loop is my feeling, where every run through the same 28 days brings new, if sub-conscious, knowledge (hence deja vu and surprising reactions or visions). Or why does Donnie wake up smiling on that road? Can’t be just because of the perfect ‘Killing Moon’… Does anyone know where to find a list of tracks from the original S.T. (before I order it to a ridiculous price as an import?) or at least, where is that great version of Tears for Fears’ “Mad World” to be found on CD? Sab

One question: how would you react if you, having had a history of sleep walking, woke up on the top of a mountain? Even though “12 monkeys” could have been an influence to the film, there is a definite different theory of time travel portrayed in DD than in 12 monkeys. CD info @ http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/do…

Andy DunfordFebruary 13, 2003 at 09:04 · reply

Someone may have already mentioned this because I haven’t scrolled through the whole archive, but the old lady was (I think) going to the mailbox over and over again because she knew that Donnie was going to send her a letter. She knew all about time travel so she could she this event in the future. That’s why she had the letter in her hand at the end.

One paradox I didn’t understand was that it was Frank who encouraged Donnie out of the house on the night of the disaster and this act created the tangent universe because Donnie was meant to die. But Frank (having died in the tangent universe) was a product of the tangent universe. How is this so? Any ideas?

I appreciate the contributors to this discussion that provided us with some personal insight and original thought. To those who simply regurgitated the thoughts of others, cut and pasted their words from other discussion groups, or chose this site as a place to see how many swear words they could fit in one sentence, Fuck you.

The interactive websight was a great supplement to the movie. Whoever came up with that idea truly has vision - the breeding of different forms of media to prolong public interest could be the future of entertainment. But I think I’ll wait for Donnie Darko the playstation game to come out before I draw any concrete conclusions about this movie. The supplemental media does not provide you with a key to unlock the the plot like the black and white/color trick in Memento. In fact, the plot was probably not intended to come together at all. Rather, the airplane engine is like the blue box in Mulholland Drive-a device used to loosely pull the movie together while still allowing room for the viewers to fill in the blanks themselves. Maybe Donnie really did die on October second. Everything that happened between Frank waking Donnie and the scene where we see the engine fall again was Donnie’s personal afterlife. When we die, “All we’re left with is our memories.” Our conciousness is free from the limitations of the physical universe that control our destiny - we are free to make up our own ending and deal with any spiritual baggage we have picked up while living. In Donnie’s afterlife, he resolves his issues with intimacy, love, and fear by constructing an acceptable story from his memories. He makes the new girl into his girlfriend, the mysterious old woman into a prophet, and Frank into a spiritual guide. In essence, immediately after death we experience a lucid dream in which we can choose to accept our own death and move on to a higher plane of existence.

Take care of your friends and families.

Granted this is an entire year after the maiden critique of this movie, but I still feel the need to throw in a couple cents that no one cares about… How could you harbor such disdain for this movie.. you obviously watched it with the intent to hate and decompile rather then let your self get sucked in by its eerie charm. I’ll admit, im not much of a reviewer, i tend to enjoy lots of media put in front of me, but i have a job/girlfriend - so im not privy to the exorbitant amount of man-hours convienient to the ordinary hostile viewer. Let me say why I liked this film… Besides its ulterior plot developments, and comic-book david lynch grasp.. Its 80’s corralation is what hooked me hard on this film. It conjured the sentimental nostalgia of a good hackneyed 80’s film (ie: pretty in pink - say anything) and galvanized it with a dark, thriller story. These in conjunction worked a powerful, subversive charm on me, and while unsettled partly because of its dark imagery, mostly for the John Hughes-like heartkbroken romanticism that was catalyzed by the movie’s style and story… Then again I dont know much… but I know what I like… And come on its better then fucking spy kids..

somethings are left to the imagination. take your own view on the movie. maybe you thought it wasn’t well made, but all the points you made about not tieing things up, I enjoyed. And there is a connection with Grandma Death, if you think about it. Shes waiting for a letter. Donnie writes her a letter. put the 2 together, its not rocket science.

if you watch the movie carefuly you’ll se the “old lady” has the letter donnie wrote her in her hand when she makes frank’s car duck to the right and run over gretchen.

thing is, when she was a nun she had a vision that there would be a whole in the spacetime continuum and she would have to be this sort of guide and would have to make sure she was in the right spot, at the right time so that frank’s car would kill gretchen.

that’s why she’s always checking the mailbox, because she knows when she gets donnie’s letter, this will be the sign.

i think you disregarded the movie all too quickly and lost a hell of a lot of its subtleness and paralell plots…

Marleya,

The DD website was down when I asked my questions oh evolved one. I was caught up in the aftermath of watching an incredible movie and I came to this site seeking the opinion of others. So please chill you beeyatch!

FUCK ME UP THE BUM

For the person who asked about the classical/choral piece with solo voice, it is “Ave Maria” written by Giulio Caccini. The credits mistakenly list it as Guilio Caccino. I thought the movie was very good, but every time I see the extra stuff on the DVDs I realize how much the editors butcher the films to “get it under 2 hours.” Unfortunately, the films suffer without certain scenes.

OK, I realise I am here at the end of it all and I was just wondering if one of you guys could help me. The piece of music, “For whom the bell tolls” which occurs in the film seems to be unavailable/not exist. Does anyone know where I can find this thing?

Hey, I havent actaully seen this movie yet but hopefully seeing it on this coming Tuesday. A few days ago I stumbled across the donnie darko website and finally managed to get the jist of it. The only problem I have is on level three- I get the transcript then it just says “time is up, donnie” and I can’t seem to do anything else. How do you finish this level?

thanks xx

The same thing happened to me on Level 3. I guess that is the end. Well, my theory is that Donnie went back in time to save those he loved, and so that he would not hurt any1 anymore. Sure, it is more likely wrong than correct, but do i care…NO. This is a great film, and I reccomend it to every1. For those that hate the film you must not be able to have the capacity for abstarct thought.

OK, now I have a better take on the entire film…..

As well as being an incredible movie, “Donnie Darko” is also a bit of a mind-trip. Hopefully, this comment will attempt to explain some elements in the event of you being a bit dumfounded by the climax. The main issue is that “Donnie Darko” is one of those movies where opinions differ from viewer to viewer. What follows is basically my take on the movie, with views and ideas picked up from others along the way. The DVD is also a great help, and should be viewed IMMEDIATELY!!! If you haven’t seen it yet - WHY NOT???

  1. The Philosophy Of Time Travel The Philosophy Of Time Travel book that is given to Donnie directly explains most of what happens in the movie. However, as we aren’t told whats in the book, the events in the film are left unexplained. A copy of the book can be found on Donniedarko.com. Unfortunately, its a bit difficult to find.

  2. So What Happened?

A jet engine from the future crashes into Donnie’s house and triggers a parallel world, which will end in 28 days. Frank is sent to warn Donnie of the end of the world, and help guide him into a position where he will send the engine back through time, closing the parallel time frame, and saving the world. Frank is basically a premonition from the future, as Donnie kills Frank at the end of the film. Donnie is manipulated into situations which will eventually leave him no choice but to send the engine back through time. He meets Gretchen, which proves to him that he doesn’t have to die alone (one of his fears), and makes him less scared of death. He burns down Cunnighams house, which leads events to making his mother go on the trip with his sister, thereby setting up the plane in the correct position to deposit its engine into the black hole. His shrink also admits that Donnies medication are placebos, indicating he’s not as mad as he thinks (this is on the DVD as a deleted scene). As the climax begins to unfold, Donnie unwittingly gets Gretchen killed, and realises that his mother and family will also die if he doesn’t close up the black hole. In closing the black hole, Donnie sacrifices himself, saves Gretchen from being killed, and because he doesn’t burn down Cunninghams house, saves his mother from being on the plane (as the other mother could take the kids on the trip instead). He also doesn’t kill Frank. In closing the black hole, everybody then wakes up on what would be back on the 1st of October (the start of the movie) and to the news that Donnie has died from a jet engine landing on him.

  1. Events Explained By The Philosophy Of Time Travel

The book explains of the Primary Universe (real life) and a Tangent Universe (like a parallel universe). When the fourth dimension of time is broken, a Tangent Universe occurs, and is unstable. Hence the world ending in 28 days time. If the Tangent Universe ends, then the world ends, the Tangent Universe basically swallowing the world up in a black hole.

The Tangent Universe occurs when an Artifact passes into the Primary Universe. The Arifact (as explained in the book) is usually metal, and its whereabouts cannot be explained. The jet engine that crashes into Donnie’s house is the artifact. Obviously the engine has come from the future, and triggers a Tangent Universe, which Donnie has to close to enable the world to return to normality.

Donnie is identified as the Living Receiver, as the person nearest to the vortex when the engine appeared. Its Donnies job to send the artifact back through time to close the Tangent Universe black hole. Apparently he has “special powers” - is this to do with his time-manipulation and visions, or just cos he’s schizophrenic? It would also help explain how the axe got in the bronze statue.

Everyone around him become “The Manipulated” and are basically there to guide Donnie (as the Living Receiver) on a path to make sure he uses his powers to close the black hole. Karen (Drew Barrymore), Monotoff (Wyle) and Roberta Sparrow are manipulated living, Karen dropping some large clues for Donnie throughout (again, see Drews deleted scenes on the DVD for more stuff). Frank is The Manipulated Dead, a premonition from the future used to give Donnie guidance. His job is to put Donnie into a position where he has no choice but to save the world. The Ensurance Trap is set when not only Gretchen is killed, but when Donnie realises his mother and sister will die in the plane crash, and when he kills Frank (revealed as Elizabeths boyfriend). If he sacrifices himself, everyone else will live. Gretchen is also a Manipulated Dead, though less obvious than Frank. She too dies within the Tangent, and is there to help Donnie

In closing the rift, and being killed by the engine, the Manipulated all awake from the parallel time frame back at the start of the movie (or 1st Oct). The appearance of the engine will never be explained.

  1. The Time Line Explained

The Tangent Universe/time line in the movie works in a straight line, and not a loop. The jet engine opens the Tangent Universe on October 1st. Everything that then happens in the movie is within the Tangent Universe. Donnie has to close the universe to stop the world from being destroyed. The Tangent Universe is closed by sending the original artifact (jet engine) back through the black hole created by the Tangent. So when Donnie sends the engine back, when it finally crashes into his bedroom for the second time, the Tangent Universe is closed. The time line goes back to Oct 1st and carries on in a completely different time line. Everything that happened in the Tangent Universe is “cancelled”. The engine won’t crash again, people won’t be killed. However, this does mean Jim Cunninghams secret may not be discovered (however, see details from the Donnie Darko site below).

  1. Gretchen’s Comment

Twice in the movie, Gretchen makes reference to going back in time, and placing good things in the past. The second time this happens is before Donnie drives off in the car, before placing the engine in the black hole. Possibly misconstrued as a throwaway comment on first viewing, it becomes more significant second time round, especially when you realise whats actually happening.

  1. Additions (i) Why did Donnie flood the school? Basically, if he didnt he wouldnt have hooked up with Gretchen, as Donnie says “he was glad the this happened today” as he “never would of had this conversation”

(ii) Do “The Manipulated Living” know what happened in the tangent universe ? Memory of life within the Tangent Universe could be explained as deja vu - for example, in the newspaper articles referenced at Donniedarko.com, Jim cunningham killed himself on the 12/10/1988…10 days later.

“Police searched Cunningham’s expansive Middlesex tudor mansion for a suicide note, but were surprised to find all of his furniture and other belongings removed from the empty house”

Which would include all evidence of the ‘kiddy porn dungeon’. This suggests that there was some memory of the tangent universe but could only be seen as a premintion or feeling of guilt on Jim Cunninghams behalf resulting in his suicide.

(iii) What is Cheritas role as a ‘manipulated’ and how does she guide Donnie? General thoughts are that Cherita is another person proving to Donnie he is loved. She obviously worships him, helped by the fact that he’s one of the only kids who talks to her like a normal person. When she drops her notebook at the end, she has his name written on the cover. At the end of the movie, when Donnie tells her “everything will be alright”, he knows that he is going to save the world, and its in part thanks to her, as one of the “manipulated” helping him to realise that he won’t die alone.

  1. Why Does Donnie Die? This is a question that gets asked a lot, and I’m not really sure of the answer. The DVD commentary gives some ideas, but Kelly’s thoughts on this are vague, and not much different from mine. Seeing as how the rest of the DVD commentary is extremely inciteful, I think Kelly would like his audience to take what they can from Donnies death, and not worry about it. My take is just this - Donnie dies, live with it. Some films have sad endings, some films have happy endings. Its the way it goes. To give more options for those that aren’t happy, here are a few points:

(i) Before Donnie is killed, he smiles. This could be to do with the fact that he realises he has saved the world and isn’t actually mad (re: the placebo medication). Kelly actually goes as far to point out that because he is happy, he actually forgets to get out of bed!

(ii) Because he has closed the tangent, he hasn’t actually left his bed from the beginning of the film. Because the tangent closure sends the story back to the start of the movie, Donnie would be in exactly the same place he started. And as Frank wouldn’t exist in “rabbit form”, he wouldn’t be called outside. Could it be that as Donnie closes the tangent, he has the same “deja vu” take on events like everyone else?

  1. Donnie as a Superhero I may have mentioned this earlier, but just to clear this up. Donnie has super powers. This is how he moves the engine into the correct position to close the tangent. His powers are manifested in these ways:

(i) Manipulation of water - flooding the school. And when he’s outside Jim Cunninghams house, he sets off the sprinklers. He also views timelines in liquid form. (ii) Manipulation of metal and super strength - the axe embedded in the bronze statue. Positioning the engine into the black hole. (iii) Manipulation of Time - I think this is obvious…without it, no film.

I hope this help out every1 who see’s this. although the last person who made a comment b4 me was in April.

I think the movie was great. Now some of you are having trouble with the background (tell me if I’m wrong but most movies under the (mysteriouse/drama section) have a creepy back ground.) And for the ending not every ending has to be perfect. I guess it kinda teaches you that sometimes theres put downs and miscalculated guesses in life. Not every movie has to end perfectly like the way you want it

I love this move!!! i have watched it 3 or 4 dozen times and everytime i hear…“well i think your the fucking AntiChrist” it brings tears to my eyes. What human being has not wanted to stand up and say that to someone who is made out to be something they are not!

Finally someone with a brain! Thank You Sarah i am sssooo sick of dumb people who think that a movie should end happy. I have talked to lots of people who thought gretchen shouold have lived and they just sucked face for the rest of their lives. I LOVE THIS MOVIE and everything about it b/c i like to think that me and donnie have everything in common.

peeto teetoNovember 15, 2003 at 07:24 · reply

Martin - don’t know if you’ll see this, but the music you’re looking for is from composer Henryk Gorecki’s Symphony Number 3. Chilling chill music.

Though the DD website is really cool, the film is the thing. If Richard Kelly didn’t put it on screen, it’s not part of the film canon. I’d give more leeway to the DVD deleted scenes, especially since a directors cut of DD is expected to return to theaters summer 2004. It’s supposed to include many DVD deleted scenes and others not before seen.

Anyways, terms like ‘living receiver’ and ‘manipulated dead’ are never in the movie. I think the website is misleading - perhaps as a joke on those who study it too deeply :)

The original poster was right on to a major aspect of DD’s theme.

_The Last Temptaion of Christ_ deals with the idea of Jesus being both man and God, thus being man, has to endure all the trials and temptations that every living person endures. (in DD Frank/Rabbit even says to him, ‘why are you wearing that man suit?) – However, where it STRONGLY pertains to Donnie Darko, one of the most important and controversial scenes in the film occurs as Jesus is being crucified. During the crucifixion, the devil comes to Jesus with one final temptation. He shows Jesus what his life could be like if he were to continue living; marry Mary Magdelene, have kids, live a long prosperous life.

During this vision, he also reveals many of the evils of the world to Jesus adding to the temptation the notion that humans are inherently evil and not worth sacrificing his life for.

The rabbit in DD can be seen as the devil - pointed ears like horns, etc.. tempting Donnie to take the selfish route; fall in love, get laid, expose the ridiculousness of the world, etc.. at the expense of those he loved.

Donnie, by sacrificing his life and choosing to die, is a hero.

And as the song ‘Mad World’ plays, we get a sense that the ‘tangent world’ events have changed the ‘primary world’ folks. Notably, Cunningham is weeping - maybe he’ll close down the kiddie-porn stuffs, Cherita has a slight smile, Frank touches his left eye. And Gretchen and Donnie’s mom have a deja-vu connection. DD’s death /was/ meaningful.

See ya’s when the director’s cut comes out. :b

Elizabeth WMarch 10, 2004 at 10:02 · reply

This was the greatest movie evr and if anyone wants to discuss it with me feel free to email me or im me rubberduky420

Elizabeth WMarch 10, 2004 at 10:02 · reply

This was the greatest movie evr and if anyone wants to discuss it with me feel free to email me or im me rubberduky420

MercutioApril 06, 2004 at 18:32 · reply

My favorite movie. I suggest that any of you who liked this movie read Joyce Carol Oates “Where are you going, where have you been?” It’s an excellent short story.

StephanieApril 09, 2004 at 22:38 · reply

Donnie Darko is a masterpiece. It’s different and intriguing. Just because the end didn’t summon up all of your questions doesn’t make it a bad movie whatsoever. It’s beautiful because it lets you use your own imagination to try and comprehend it’s idea and meaning. This is what makes a good movie a movie. It really makes you think. 98% of the people who’ve seen this movie, shouldn’t of. It’s not for the average intelligence who enjoys being entertained by the idiot box. I suggest you give it the credit it deserves or move on and find another movie to criticize.

Your insulting your intelligence…

ok, Donnie Darko was one of the best movies I’ve ever seen, I didn’t completely understand it, but it made me think, plus it had some good music

boooyahJune 02, 2004 at 07:18 · reply

the event that was donnie darko changed my life i love th movie and watch it when im stoned it fvcks me up reallllllyyyy bad

Sorry that i’m continuing what i would view as an annoying tendancy to respond to things years after they were originally written, but i just came across this, and i wanted to say that most of the people who think they know exactly what happened in the movie thanks to the “all-knowing all-telling” website are probably wrong. I read somewhere else that the writter/director made the website asfter the movie with no intention of revealing all, but on the contrary, to confuse and throw-off the readers. The movie is supposed to be left up to you. Make up your own mind about it, and let that be it. If what you’ve decided is that the movie sucked, so be it, that’s you personal opinion and it’s warrented.

Personally, i enjoyed the movie. it’s the kind of thing where the die-hard fans and welcome to discuss and research because it does leave things open for interpretation, but you can also just take it for face value and accept that it was a nice entertaining diversion for an evening. I’ve watched it many many times with lots of different people who all had different reactions towards it, all of which are underdstandable.

Personally, I think that those who did not enjoy the movie because “it didn’t make any sense” or because “it had a bad ending” are complete idiots. You are the kind of people who are in a larger sense destroying the minds of the world. This movie is quite obviously meant to stimulate your mind some. It is also obviously not meant for those who can only see a movie as it is. The creators of Donnie Darko I think are pure genius. Not only did they create an incredible movie, but it’s a movie that people can’t stop debating about. It’s a perfect way to advertise. Nothing spreads faster than by word of mouth. Unfortunately, there are some who will bash the movie, because they can’t think past what they see. Not everything is what it seems, and Donnie Darko is a movie you HAVE to watch more than once to even begin to understand what’s happening. I find the movie is beautifully put together. It goes so in depth, and has such incredible detail. But the only way to appreciate these qualities of the movie is to actually think. The first time I saw this movie, I was blown away, I couldn’t stop thinking about it. I had tons of questions and theories, and I was dying to find out what other people’s theories were. Those of you who bash this movie because you say it lacks plot are complete idiots. Use your mind, look deeper into than what is just shown to you. And stop trying to sound like you’re some amazing genius by using intelligent sounding dialect. A genius isn’t one who is able to regurgitate things that are taught to him, a genius is someone who can take what he is taught, and expand upon it intelligently. Big words mean nothing if there is no substance behind them.

With that being said, after a lot of thought, I personally think that the theme of irony is played out a lot throughout the movie. It’s mentioned breifly at the beginning of the movie, and it comes back several times throughout the film. For instance: The self help guru, who turns out to be a kiddie porn operator, or the overall fact that Donnie discovers that he had to die after all in order to save everyone from the end of the world. I could be wrong, because the more I think about the movie and read other peoples ideas, the more my ideas change. Just thought I should get my thoughts out on the table, for those who appreciate the great quality of this movie, and to shun those who are ignorant enough to say this movie “insulted thier intelligence”.

All I have to say is buy or rent the DVD. Watch it with the Director’s commentary. IT EXPLAINS ALL.

Whoever posted this review is an idiot- they made up their own interpretation, and then got mad at the movie because their own interpretation makes no sense. Donnie Darko isn’t living as if he’d never died. When the jet engine slips through the wormhole, the universe becomes tangent to “God’s Path” and becomes very unstable. The only way to save it is by sending the jet engine(the artifact) back to where it came. To do this, God gives the power of telekinesis to Donnie. However, Gods can’t tell Donnie what to do because “once you know your destiny, you are free to change it.” Rather, God sends donnie tons of hints, and kills his girlfriend to persuade him to reset the universe. This isn’t my interpretation, it’s the director’s.

geordieJuly 26, 2004 at 02:40 · reply

I feel stupid but i try to enter the passwords on the site and they dont’ work? Breathe, Ling, Rose, Smurf.??? do u press enter or what… i deff shouldnt b a hacker.. lol

Go to the movie website! www.donniedarko.com

Or if you’re too lazy to do that, try here: http://www.tonystuff.co.uk/… http://www.tonystuff.co.uk/…

The movie is not supposed to make sense, duh. Maybe if you had bothered doing some research you might have figured that out.

PS. I agree with Mike.

Emil StenaltNovember 07, 2004 at 14:16 · reply

The Greatest movie ever!

I wonder how far into 2005 the madness of discussing this will go.

Hey, im not taking sides but personally i think the film is fab! I think the guy who played donnie was cute and i think its kinda sad to argue for almost 3 years about a film. But hey, thats just me! LOL xxx

Did anyone thing about this. Donnie represents Jesus Christ and Frank represents God. EH? Frank tells him he has to die in order to save everyone, same as God and Jesus. They have a similar relationship in the sense that Jesus didn’t necesarily start off wanting to die. Also Frank and Donnie both expose hypocrytes such as Jim Cunningham. Also they wreck places of false teachings such as the school. The oriental girl was like a follower of Donnie. Also DOnnie shooting Frank is like when Jesus turns his back on God right as hes suffering and yells the famous quote, “my God, why have you forsaken me?”. There are so many parallels to this. It works.

U GUYS ARE IDIOTSMarch 15, 2005 at 22:36 · reply

WATCH THE COMMENTARY WITH WRITTER U ALL ARE IDIOTS RICHARD KELLY’s EXPLANATION WITH THE MOVIE AND MEANING OF IT IS NOT THAT IN DEPTH ITS QUITE SIMPLE ITS SO FICTIONAL NOT BIBLICAL OR SUCH ITS A CHEAP CRACKER JACK ANSWER NOW DONT THINK THAT MUCH INTO THE MOVIE..JUST WATCH IT ITS A GREAT MOVIE

Well I have enjoyed reading many of your responses, some better than others. Obviously everyone has their own opinions about the movie, but it bothers me that you all argue about the plot and theme of the movie. Here’s my perspective on the matter and it doesn’t mean it’s right or wrong but it is how I see it. I just watched the directors cut last night and paid very close attention to the details of the movie. I’m going to watch it again in the next few days because there are still details that I am unclear on. I have seen it four times and still find interesting details that tie up the story nicely. I have found profound depth to it, but that does not mean that the writer meant for there to be this depth. I see a movie as an art form and each individual will see it in a different way. You cannot say that a person is wrong in there thoughts about the movie. All you can say is that you didn’t see it that way. Finally I want to comment about the ending. I personally liked it because it was somewhere in the middle of giving sound resolution to the story and leaving it open ended. It shows you the final decision Donnie makes but leaves enough open so you can dream up your thoughts about what’s happened. Over all I think that with what ever intent the writer had, he produced a compelling story with interesting characters and an open enough theme to allow for a surface and a deep value to be derived. I think it was a masterfully created movie and recommend that you watch it a few times carefully reading the excerpts from Sparrow’s book and paying attention to the little details that add the to the plot. And if you have the time I suggest reading Stephen Hawking’s “A Brief History of Time” and maybe “Watership Down”. It will help you understand some of the movie better, and it’s just good reading anyways.

KristopherApril 11, 2005 at 09:14 · reply

There is still one thing that I keeps nagging at me. The boy at the end, while another here previously said he was just stupid, I can’t help but think he somehow knew what was going on. Especially with his strange wave of understanding, the same shared with Donnie’s mother and Gretchen. What really is interesting is that while everyone else has a connection with Donnie and/or were somehow manipulated, that boy was the only one which, as far as I can tell, was not shown to have existed in the tangent universe.

charles paul westApril 17, 2005 at 04:07 · reply

the last temptation of christ was released in 1988…irony? i don’t think so. –taty m…you can go suck a dick for fucken up my credit. that wasn’t cool biotch!

liz and laurenApril 17, 2005 at 20:05 · reply

AHHHHHH… we need help, once you start playing the game on teh website its addictive i’ve been trying to figure out how to get onto level 2 for the past hour, please clue me in… i get to the point where you see the red things for level 1, 2 and 3 and all the random words, i tried changin the words into a message, and clicking on the level it said level 1 activate level 2 activate etc. but when you clicked red stripes came up and it said go back to menu.

help!

mario nevarezJune 04, 2005 at 06:49 · reply

i think u are quite stupid

no u

Alex G.July 18, 2005 at 06:29 · reply

I feel like I am the only person who, after watching it once, has a completely different take on it that anyone has discussed. I see Frank as a person who came from the future to haunt Donnie. Donnie killed Frank out of rage and Frank came back to the future to taunt Donnie for 28 days. He just wants to screw with Donnie’s mind, and it works, to the point that everyone believes Donnie is a schizophrenic.

His disturbed mind, encouraged by Frank, goes out on a mission to be as destructive as possible. He floods the school because he hates school - a typical teen fantasy. He burns Mr. Cunningham’s house because he doesn’t like him - he sees him as a hypocrite who is out to sell his own ideas and build his therapy empire. But Donnie seeks solace in Gretchen, the only person who will listen to Donnie and speak to him a normal, loving way. When events happen as they may and Gretchen is killed, that’s when he feels all the destruction he did to all sorts of people, and Gretchen dying as a result, were not worth living for - he basically felt that the world would have been better without him. We see the weather changes which are signs that the world is ending - I didn’t really understand why other than that Frank said so, but it could be a result of Donnie’s disturbed mind or it could be something that Frank arranged in a malicious act. But anyway he decides that instead of this horrible ending to the world, he would rather have him die so that all these events won’t happen. So, with the time travel powers he learned from Miss Sparrow and Frank, he decides to alter time to instead kill himself.

I’m not someone who really buys the “tangent universe” concept to the point that all events were happening in the “tangent universe.” I think that the events were one alternative for the fate of the world had Donnie lived after the plane part came crashing into his home and then killed Frank at the Halloween party 28 days later. The terms “parallel universe,” “tangent universe” or whatever don’t sit well with me. I’m not a sci-fi fan and I prefer other explanations whenver possible, and the explanation as one of fate based upon importation decisions that we can change if we had the option to works for me.

please someone help me i can not get through the three level.

THe idea of frank coming back to haunt Donnie is false. It was in fact Frank who caused Donnie and Gretchen to go out. HE told Donnie to fllod the school who then walked home and saw Gretchen getting teased, who asked if he would walk her home. THen he asked her out, which caused the both of them being together. Frank also told Donnie to burn down JIm’s house where they found the kiide porn. So it was Frank that caused alot of good things to happen. Also Frank would not have the ability to go back in time if Donnie had shot him. And Frank could not be a ghost if you were leading to that, the text talks about tim travel and not zombies or ghost.

The Anti-ChristJanuary 31, 2006 at 05:42 · reply

Frank touches his RIGHT eye…the eye in which he is shot by Donnie in the tangent universe. the RIGHT…eye.

The Anti-ChristJanuary 31, 2006 at 05:51 · reply

Did I actually just see some use the words “detractors” and “dictates” while not spelling a single “contraction” correctly, saying “1 1/2 of my life” as opposed to “1 and 1/2 hour of my life”, using single quotes (‘example’) around both movie titles and sarcasm alike, not capitalizing the word “God”, and a laundry list of other grammatical errors - NOT to mention a lack of an explanation to WHY she believed the ending to have “SUCKED” (as she so succinctly put it) as badly as she made it out to be. My diagnosis…Amanda is using products of FEAR, the tool of the Devil and the uneducated alike. Buh…BYE!

no diceMay 27, 2006 at 23:35 · reply

In R. Kelly’s commentary in one of the deleted/extended scenes he mentions that he took out many scenes to leave the movie open for interpretation. There are literally hundreds of interpretations of how to make sense of the movie, it is not to be taken too seriously, which is your mistake. There is not ONE SPECIFIC MESSAGE of the movie so don’t criticize like you know the only answer. and get a life

no diceMay 27, 2006 at 23:59 · reply

ITS 2006 haha and i dont know how to get through level 2 or 3 god damnit and no one is helping anyone with the site. level 2 looks to me like a blank page with red stripes and a red dot that says go back to menu…????

the man who didnt careJune 23, 2006 at 05:22 · reply

god… u guys hav been arguing about this for a couple of years havent u….

the man who didnt careJune 23, 2006 at 05:38 · reply

wat id like to know….. y the hell did donnie go to grandma deaths house after having a kind of revelation at his house party which causes him to go there? didnt he juss hav like a future vision where he sees wat happens? then y the HELL didnt he forsee his girlfriend being run over?? BY FRANK!!? of all people? and wuldnt he hav known that the letter he puts in the letterbox be the ultimate cause of the accident?? (as frank avoids grandma death and runs over gretchen BECAUSE she is in the middle of the road READING the damn thing….. ) wat was the point of him posting that letter newaay???? it didnt really accomplish ne thing cept get his girlfriend killed and make him a murderer

could sumbody please explain/???????

Kevin, so far I’ve read every entry above yours and wanted to reply. But yours, your entry has caught my mind to where I cannot just pass it by. Kevin, there is a fault in your statement. How can you say that this is his personal afterlife.

Who has ever died and lived to tell?

I did a recording of this song off of the Donnie Darko Soundtrack. just curious what people think. http: //www.myspace.com/jasonsco

donnie darko is an awsome movie full of action and suspence!!!!!!!!! this movie rocks my socks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Well my explaination to myself when i saw it yesterday was, “He travelled through time in his dreams somehow and that was that” And i didnt understand a word but the fact i didnt made it the most amazing film ever. But then i had an explaination for how he could defy sience and travell through time. Sort of. If you are travelling in time, you cannot go forward or backward but you can travel so fast that to any other human the world has stopped spinning and everything has paused. If you are travelling so fast everything has stopped you can do something or get somewhere and then go at normal pace and the world would be altered by what u have just done. Therefore time travell is not possible, and neather is moving so fast that the world stops. it is mearly something for you to think about and read and re-read until you understand what the sience of that was. Ralph

barry manilowDecember 29, 2007 at 07:34 · reply

i think that most people who view this movie are disappointed because they dont grasp many key conclusions and believe the ending to have let too many loose ends. i think that the movie ties up most things, but you don’t realise this until you have viewed the movie a few times. grandma death is one thing that frustrates people the most because they dont see any connection. if you rewatch the film she has an extremely vital role in making up donnie’s mind as to whether he shoul sacrifice himself or his family. you see grandma death was once herself a living receiver but she made the wrong choice and chose to save herself. this is why she tells donnie that ‘every living creature dies alone.’ she made the wrong choice and it ruined her life and made her insane. it is not just coincidence that there is a book written by her about what donnie is going through, grandma death went through it herself, and every person close to her died (hence the name grandma death).

JayDIZZLEMarch 17, 2008 at 21:54 · reply

holy shit. 6 years this has been going. SIX YEARS. lmao… i was 9 when it started. HA. that is mental.

AnonymousJuly 13, 2009 at 13:03 · reply

the point of the movie is to be slightly ambiguous so that people will discuss it on forums for years to come.

Your review fails.

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