the confederate flag

I am gonna talk about Dean, but more generally about the confederate flag itself. First, (one of) the quotes itself:

I intend to talk about race during this election in the South. The Republicans have been talking about it since 1968 in order to divide us, and I’m going to bring us together. Because you know what? White folks in the South who drive pickup trucks with Confederate flag decals on the back ought to be voting with us because their kids don’t have health insurance either, and their kids need better schools too.

I don’t think Dean is a racist. He wanted to express his desire to be inclusive of the “good ol’ boy” south. He wants to represent the Democratic party in helping the underprivileged in the South regardless of ethnicity. Whatever. However, he chose a very poor symbol to use descriptively. The confederate flag is a racist symbol. (Don’t worry, more on this further down.)

Now, if you take what he said at face value, it’s not really an intrinsically offensive statement. Delivering health insurance and good schools to people that need it is a good thing, even if they are racists. At face value, he is saying that he thinks underprivileged southerners that fly the confederate flag should vote Democrat (and for him) because it’s in their best interest, and this is probably true. The problem is that invariably this is interpreted as a tacit approval of flying the confederate flag and by extension, racism. I don’t really think that’s what he meant. But it is a valid interpretation of what he said, and that is why it was so bone-headed.

Thus far, in my opinion, Dean is proving his intelligence by defending his assertion in a rather clever fashion, but he’s still not really owning up to the idiocy of what he said. And why shouldn’t he? Here’s a mental exercise: what percentage of southerners fly the confederate flag? Now, what percentage of those are genuinely racist? Lastly, what percentage of those would vote Democrat anyway? My guess: not many. So my question is: why doesn’t Dean just cut the BS and talk about why the confederate flag is a hateful, racist symbol and explain that he didn’t mean to imply that he would ever condone its display? The obvious answer is that he doesn’t want to alienate the voters that may disagree. But in my opinion, keeping our mental exercise from before in mind, the percentage of the minority vote he could pick up by elaborating (and strongly condemning) is far greater than the white, racist voters he might alienate. Further, who is impressed with shucking-and-jiving? No one likes to see a politician wobbling on an issue so as to not offend either opposite side. I could be wrong, though.

So, why is the confederate flag a racist symbol? Easy: because it was the flag flown by the confederacy in a civil war between the north and the south over the use of African slaves. Yes, there were also numerous other reasons, both social and economic. But let’s not fool ourselves. Slavery was a huge cause for the war. See http://www.chicora.org/myth.htm for a good collection of myths commonly espoused by confederate apologists and their respective refutations.

Usually when you bring this up, the defense of flying the confederate flag is that the war wasn’t really about slavery, and the confederate flag symbolizes southern heritage and history. So, ludicrous as that may be, let’s pretend that’s a given. If the confederate flag merely symbolizes southern heritage and history from a war that wasn’t about slavery, then it must have been co-opted somewhere along the line. Lots of people think the flag has racist connotations. This raises a question: who changed the meaning? Who co-opted the flag to represent racism? The answer: racist, white supremacist organizations using it as a symbol. Or, you know, maybe it was a passive creation of minorities with nothing better to do than to demonize a flag. You be the judge.

But, even given that obvious flaw, some people are adamant that the confederate flag isn’t meant to represent slavery or racism, but rather is just a symbol for the solidarity of southern culture and heritage. Symbols of culture and heritage are great. Solidarity is great. But the fact remains that although you don’t think the symbol has connotations of racism or slavery, millions of other people disagree fervently. The point of choosing a symbol is to communicate ideas, so it doesn’t matter what you think it means. What matters is what other people think it means. I’ve had long, laborious arguments about this with people that fail to recognize the subjective nature of a symbol, or a word (or a political cartoon). The meaning to you may not be the same as the meaning to others – in this case, millions of others. So you have two choices: a) Pick a different symbol. or b) You can accept that people are going to rely on their interpretation and assume you are a bigot. You can also accept that this symbol should not be incorporated into the flag representing a state or country, because it does not represent the views of the people.

I am a proud southerner. Southern pride is a good thing. Wrapping it in a flag with a history of racism, violent rebellion, and oppression is not.

The end.


Comments

Doug OrleansNovember 05, 2003 at 18:24 · reply

The point of choosing a symbol is to communicate ideas, so it doesn’t matter what you think it means. What matters is what other people think it means.

I don’t think it’s quite as cut-and-dried as this. It’s mainly about knowing your audience. Driving around the south with a confederate flag sticker doesn’t mean you’re a racist because people in the south are used to non-racists driving around with confederate flag stickers. Driving around NY or LA with a confederate flag sticker is another story. Some garage-rock bands in the ’60s (and garage rock revivalists in recent decades) wore iron crosses and spiked helmets as a fashion thing, not because they were Nazi sympathizers. But they probably wouldn’t wear them to a job interview because it would be more easily misinterpreted.

On the other hand, walking around the gift shop of a Civil War battlefield state park in Georgia made me very uncomfortable with all the blatant pro-Confederate merchandise. It’s one thing to say the flag just represents “Dixie” but a CSA belt buckle seems to go over the line.

I don’t think it’s quite as cut-and-dried as this. It’s mainly about knowing your audience. Driving around the south with a confederate flag sticker doesn’t mean you’re a racist because people in the south are used to non-racists driving around with confederate flag stickers.

I don’t think that follows. People in the south are “used” to racism. It’s an unfortunate fact. That doesn’t make it right or acceptable. It’s much easier for me (or you) as a middle-class white male to say that driving around with a confederate flag on your pick-up truck is okay because we’re “used to it”. It’s much harder for a black person who is likely to be a target of the racism it represents to say the same thing.

Racism comes in all shades. Flying a confederate flag or putting it on your pickup truck does not automatically make you a hood-wearing cross-burning KKK racist. It does, however, display willful disregard for the people that find it offensive, frightening, and threatening.

I think my point stands. The symbolism of the confederate flag conveys racism to many (most) people. Because it’s more commonplace in the south doesn’t mean it’s any less offensive or symbolic. – it just means the south, unfortunately, has a higher tolerance for racist symbolism.

Some garage-rock bands in the ’60s (and garage rock revivalists in recent decades) wore iron crosses and spiked helmets as a fashion thing, not because they were Nazi sympathizers. But they probably wouldn’t wear them to a job interview because it would be more easily misinterpreted.

I find that to be just as inexcusable. In this case, youthful arrogance and naivete are probably to blame for their purposeful irreverence, rather than racism. It doesn’t mean it sits well with the people for whom those symbols are terrifying, solemn reminders of one of the bloodiest wars and genocides we’ve ever known.

Speaking as someone who wasn’t born until the punk movement was already fading, and therefore could be completely wrong: I would say that punk was specifically about purposeful irreverence. It was about rebellion. I don’t think that makes it right, but I think it’s different from flying a confederate flag, which is done either in complete denial of what it represents and/or in tacit approval.

Erik OstromNovember 06, 2003 at 01:33 · reply

You crazy kids and your purposeful irreverence! Enough, I say! But also, Slate has a good piece on this by William Saletan (followed by a ho-hum “debate awards” segment), and another one by Chris Suellentrop.

Doug OrleansNovember 06, 2003 at 02:28 · reply

It does, however, display willful disregard for the people that find it offensive, frightening, and threatening.

Yes, it does. But it doesn’t necessarily mean it’s “wrong” (as Dean said in his explanation). Calling some speech (and yes, I’m going to say that displaying a flag decal is speech) wrong because it offends someone– regardless of what the speaker meant– is knee-jerk political correctness, and I’m just tired of that. Context always matters.

It just struck me that maybe my tolerance for the Confederate flag is solely due to having been a huge “Dukes of Hazzard” fan when I was 9. (The car was called the General Lee, even!) Maybe that’s not a good thing, but maybe it demonstrates that new generations grow up with completely different associations for symbols than their original ones.

From that first article:

That’s how outreach works. You don’t spurn people who disagree with you, even on issues of segregation and discrimination. You communicate. You cross barriers. It’s a good way to win elections?and to change the world.

Great quote!

Yes, it does. But it doesn’t necessarily mean it’s “wrong” (as Dean said in his explanation). Calling some speech (and yes, I’m going to say that displaying a flag decal is speech) wrong because it offends someone– regardless of what the speaker meant– is knee-jerk political correctness, and I’m just tired of that. Context always matters.

I think there’s a continuum between “speech that is genuinely offensive and hateful to people” and “knee-jerk political correctness”. Sometimes things fall in-between because their previous meaning has largely been usurped in the common lexicon. The word “nigger” is a good example of this – some people use it casually, and some are still deeply offended by it (you won’t see me using it any time soon). So, yes, context matters. In the context of the American lexicon, it’s my opinion that flying the confederate flag falls firmly in the former category. In the context of the southern American lexicon, perhaps less-so, but not enough that it’s acceptable to the majority of the people there.

Also, I want to clarify something about saying that it’s “wrong”. I don’t want to give the false impression that I am implying that it should be illegal. Yes, I still believe in free speech. When I say “wrong”, I mean two things: 1) contrary to my own personal moral code, and 2) in my opinion, contrary to most of America’s moral code. Naturally, my own moral code is prone to bias this estimate, but I don’t think I’m off-target.

The point, when I say that it’s “wrong”, is not that they should be forced to stop, but rather that they’ll have to live the consequences (outrage and hostility), and can’t act all defensive and perplexed because of what they think it means (or what they claim it means, while tacitly approving of its racist connotations).

AnonomusMarch 23, 2004 at 10:13 · reply

As long as the Confederate does not represent racism I think its Ok.

“This raises a question: who changed the meaning? Who co-opted the flag to represent racism? The answer: racist, white supremacist organizations using it as a symbol.” I think you bring up a terribly valid point within this paragraph that is often overlooked. However, why would the representation of the confederate battle flag be “ludicrous” when applied to the civil war. What is so ludicrous about that? IT WAS THE BATTLE FLAG..Not the official state flag. It did not necissarily condone slavery just because it was made during the time of slavery. Let me reiterate the fact that it was not the STATE FLAG..I think refering this to racism is a stretch…but opposing opinions shall forever clash. I can’t help but wonder how you feel about the people that put confederate flags on the graves of their loved ones who fought and lost their lives..shall we snatch that right away as well? I’m going to quote you in my term paper because you do have the intellect to support your opinion, which most people with the “racist” view of the flag don’t have the curtiousy to do.

However, why would the representation of the confederate battle flag be “ludicrous” when applied to the civil war. What is so ludicrous about that? IT WAS THE BATTLE FLAG..Not the official state flag. It did not necissarily condone slavery just because it was made during the time of slavery. Let me reiterate the fact that it was not the STATE FLAG..I think refering this to racism is a stretch…but opposing opinions shall forever clash. I can’t help but wonder how you feel about the people that put confederate flags on the graves of their loved ones who fought and lost their lives..shall we snatch that right away as well?

I chose the word “ludicrous” (which I typoed, incidentally, and didn’t notice till now! thanks!) in reference to the assumption that the flag purely symbolizes “southern heritage and history”, if that clarifies things.

Emphasis there on the word “symbolizes”. It’s ludricrous to assume that’s all people will see in that flag. Operating on this assumption, in turn, is willful naivete.

I am not sure what you mean by “applied to the civil war”, however.

As far as draping the flag on graves, keep in mind that no one here (at least not me) is talking about banning anything. The great thing about America is that you can fly whatever flag you want. I am just commenting on the symbolism and connotations that are communicated by it.

k johnsMay 31, 2004 at 21:57 · reply

Just remember that the southern states had a way of life which included slavery. The rebel flag does not just represent slavery. It was a way of life and the southern planters fought to keep thier way of life. So displaying the rebel flag to me is just the same as displaying the oringal 13 colonies flag. Or course some people use it as a sign of racism,but that is not what the flag was inttended for. I have ancestors that fought in the Civil War on the rebel side and i display the flag as a sign of heritage. In fact i personaly know many people who display for the same reason. Some if some one in New York sees the rebel flag and wants to jump to conclusions that the person displaying the flag is racist then let that idiot think what they want they want to think.

k johnsMay 31, 2004 at 21:57 · reply

Just remember that the southern states had a way of life which included slavery. The rebel flag does not just represent slavery. It was a way of life and the southern planters fought to keep thier way of life. So displaying the rebel flag to me is just the same as displaying the oringal 13 colonies flag. Or course some people use it as a sign of racism,but that is not what the flag was inttended for. I have ancestors that fought in the Civil War on the rebel side and i display the flag as a sign of heritage. In fact i personaly know many people who display for the same reason. Some if some one in New York sees the rebel flag and wants to jump to conclusions that the person displaying the flag is racist then let that idiot think what they want they want to think.

KendallJune 01, 2004 at 21:41 · reply

The Confederate battle flag is in no way “racist” at all,unless you intended it to be. The Confederate battle flag is a symbol of heritage. It should in no way be offensive to anyone. If you think about it… who first brought slaves to the country? Was it a Southerner? NO! And think on this one… I have many German friends, so should I hate them for what they did? No, because it all happened so long ago. So next time you hear someone complaining about the Confederate flag, make them think about it.

Jarrett KitchensSeptember 17, 2004 at 20:23 · reply

The Confederate flag stand for courage, honor and the willingness to fight against overwhelming odds. My ancestors did not own slaves yet they fought and died for their way of life, the states of Georgia and Alabama, and not slavery. Every slave ever brought into the United States was done so by northerners and northern shipping companies. On top of that slaves that were sold to US slave traders were already enslaved by other Africans but their flag is not considered racist. Unfortunatly hate groups like the KKK and neo nazis have perverted the flag and its meaning as a negative symbol of hatred. I despise these groups for the shame they have brought to the flag and my heritage. To me,the flag will always represent my heritage and not racism. Keep It Flying!

i don’t think this is true cause it don’t stand for slavery. so if u won’t to think that go ahead.

Try coming to my state, and city…..Put one of those flags up, its your life……The flag offends many people, period…….

the confederate flag is a symbol of hate. the southern states succeeded from the union for one reason!!!!!!! to protect their rights The right to own property (people).founders of the confederacy wanted to protect slavery….. 1861 the “cornerstone address” confederate vice president Alexander H. Stephens declared that the new government’s “foundations are laid, its cornerstone rests, upon the great truth that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery, subordination to the superior race, is natural and moral condition” so you tell me what the confederate flag stands for!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Jason ThompsonNovember 10, 2005 at 23:02 · reply

I believe that yall oughta know the whole truth bout the slavery deal with this here flag contraversy. First, learn some history and you’ll find that the underlying cause for the war was slavery. But that only went bout as far as. The yankee congress actually quit allowing southern congressmen from speaking bout anything in congress. If one of them did speak, they wouldn’t hear them out. So some of the states left the Union in order to actually have freedom which was being denied to them. Also, less than 10% of white southerners owned slaves, and if it had been a war for keepin slaves, then not even half of the men that fought for the Confederate Army would’ve actually fought. So, the battle flag that some people hate today, actually was this nation’s second war for independence. Both the American flag and the Confederate flag was made for a new country that wanted to break away from their original oppressing country that they was part of. So if you think that our Confederate Flag in a symbol of racism, or it should be took away because its a symbol of rebellion against the country, then think again. Both flags stood for a rebellion for freedom, and to show your true colors, blue bars ‘n white stars, is just a symbol of pride. There ain’t nothin different from what the Confederate flag and the Itilian or any other flag means that gets showed off.

the confederate flag is not a sybol of hate get that through your beady little head

Eyes are beady, not heads.

my rebel flag flys highOctober 03, 2006 at 02:10 · reply

I am from the south and I fly my rebel flag… I am sorry if it offends you but if it does you need a history lesson… for one… the war that the rebel flag was in was not about slavery.. it was about taxes… so if your ganna sit there and say that it is a racist symbol…I am sorry but I beg to differ… maybe it is just a southern thing and all yall Yankees will never understand but if you have a problem with it you need to get the facts straight and then make an argument over it…. get it… got it?…GOOD!!

my rebel flag flys highOctober 03, 2006 at 02:14 · reply

Amen to that mike hunt!!! Hell Ya!!

my rebel flag flys highOctober 03, 2006 at 02:16 · reply

then et it through your close minded yankee skull!!

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